Separating Facts from Spin

I want to like wind energy, I really do. The Mike Smith Enterprises web site used to have a prominently-displayed photo of the Beaumont, KS wind farm against majestic cumulus clouds. The facts that it is domestic, clean, etc., were all going for it.

But, over the last two to three years, as more and more data about the many shortcomings of wind energy, especially its reliability, became apparent, I have lost my enthusiasm and, in a posting in May, 2010, dubbed wind power, "Not ready for prime time." I've always allowed that new technology could restore the value of the wind power equation as I see it.

When I was reading Texas newspapers Wednesday, the stories about the blackouts and the contributions made by wind power didn't add up (literally, the numbers were incorrect from an arithmetic standpoint). I later learned that some of the stories were based on a press release, issued that morning, by the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA). The release touted wind energy's contribution to mitigating the shortage of energy. As I stated, I never doubted the veracity of the press release as it pertained to wind power output Wednesday morning. In spite of this contribution from wind energy, the crisis continued (per the news media) with the threat of more blackouts Wednesday night during what was forecast to be the coldest night, statewide, in 15 years.

Wednesday evening, I posted this article about wind energy guessing (and I used that word) that wind was part of the problem rather than part of the solution in the ongoing crisis. Because of the extreme cold and little wind occurring or forecast Wednesday night and Thursday morning, I didn't see how wind power could play a significant positive role in this situation. I also pointed to similar situations in other geographic areas where wind energy wasn't available during extreme cold. My conclusion was that if the money spent on wind had been spent on new coal or nuclear plants, the immediate crisis could have been avoided.

I was treated to numerous comments, pro and con, about wind energy. Several commenters told me I was wrong and that there was significant wind energy being generated Wednesday night. I requested the figures and said I would be happy to correct the record if I was indeed incorrect.

Yesterday afternoon, we heard from Michael Goggin, twice, who represents the American Wind Energy Association. He twice requested a "retraction." Out of a sense of fair play, I prominently displayed his comments, unedited, and said I would retract if he would provide the data that showed I was wrong. In spite of multiple requests, he has not done so. I told him earlier this morning that if he did not provide this data by 10am Central, I was going to write this response I had promised my readers on the assumption that I was correct. As of this moment, no one has provided data showing significant energy was generated from the wind farms located in the State of Texas from 9pm Wednesday (2nd) to 7am Thursday (3rd).

So, here is where we stand:

Mr. Goggin wrote yesterday:

Wind energy output was extremely high throughout the period when ERCOT implemented rolling blackouts

According to Mr. Goggin's figures, only 36 to 39% of the installed wind energy in Texas was available even though it was a crisis and they had been requested to provide as much as possible,

"grid operators call for maximum production". 

This means that 61 to 64% of wind power was not available at a peak time of year. And, wind conditions were optimal at that time. To quote Mr. Goggin,
Throughout that time period, wind speeds on the ground were also very high across the parts of the state with the bulk of the installed wind capacity, with many areas under high wind warnings.

So, in spite of optimal winds and a request for maximum production, the best wind could do was 39% of installed wind capacity at the time of the blackouts.

It is asserted by Mr. Goggin and other commenters that I was incorrect about turbines failing. This news story states that they did in fact fail during the period of the blackouts:
Wind generators also appeared to be having problems, said Fraser; he had received reports of some turbines shutting down because of issues with ice on the blades. "The wind was blowing yesterday, but I'm not sure wind generation was available because they had problems with ice," he said. 

Finally, there is the ongoing mystery of the amount of wind electricity generated Wednesday night and Thursday morning, the source of my initial concern and my reason for writing the original article. In spite of asking Mr. Goggin and several commenters for those numbers, we still do not have them. Please note that they were able to get those numbers within a matter of hours for a press release Wednesday when they thought the numbers would cast the industry in a favorable light. I believe that if the numbers showed major amounts of electricity generated Wednesday night and Thursday morning, we would have had them quite a while ago.

I'm offering an opinion here: When compared to the reliability of other forms of electricity generation, nuclear, coal, natural gas, and hydro, touting a situation where 61% or more of generating capability was not available as a success would, at best raise eyebrows and, at worst, get you laughed out of the room. It appears the AWEA was attempting to spin a less than optimal situation into a success which, as a trade association, is perhaps their job.

I see my job as providing quality commentary on weather and science issues to our blog's readers. I believe we have done just that.

Comments

  1. It's a pity that ERCOT doesn't offer anything like real-time status and generation availability reporting. There are a group of interesting reports listed but nothing shows up when you select them.

    Some European utilities go far beyond in reporting real-time availability by source and type.

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  2. one point.... Texas is on its own electricity grid, it can not get power from other grids because of the cycle differences.
    So pointing out how the money was spent and there could of been different results appears to fall on deaf ears.

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  3. Let's recap what has happened, Mike: Your initial post stated that wind caused the blackouts that occurred Wednesday morning. I posted data showing that wind output was high (3500-4000 MW, as confirmed by ERCOT) during the period when the blackouts happened. You agreed with that data. I also pointed out that numerous people, including ERCOT and the Texas Lt. Gov., have shown that the blackouts happened after 50 fossil-fired power plants totaling 7,000 MW tripped offline. Your initial post was false - end of story.

    Here are the statements you made in your initial post that are indisputably false, as established with the facts above:
    "The article didn't give a clue as to what generating capability failed, but I can make a pretty good guess: Wind energy."
    "Now, because of relying so much on wind power, the state is suffering blackouts."
    "We Spent Billions on Wind Power... and All I Got Was a Rolling Blackout"

    Do you really not understand how your statements in your original post are directly contradicted by the facts?

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  4. Michael,

    You can keep repeating the above all you want but wind turbines DID fail (per the linked newspaper report). Even though I asked you to comment on the accuracy of the newspaper report, http://meteorologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/02/equal-time-american-wind-energy.html (at the bottom) you have yet to provide facts that indicate the newspaper report was in error.

    7000MW shortage due to plants tripping off is roughly equal to the amount of wind energy that was unavailable by your own figures (10,000 MW installed - 3,900 = 6,100MW). The wind energy the people of Texas were depending on, during wind conditions you describe as "very high," wasnt't available to take up the slack.

    Perhaps you missed this: I added this to the initial post Wednesday evening, "CLARIFICATION: Some readers have pointed out that two conventional power plants failed. Fine, I don't dispute that. But there is no wind energy to back them up."

    We agree that 3,600 to 3,900 MW were available (36 to 39% of installed capacity) during the period in question.

    With regard to the other issues, as I have said at least four times, show me FACTS that no turbines failed in the period in question and that substantial wind energy was being produced by wind farms in the State of Texas Wednesday night and Thursday morning. If so, I am open to revising my opinion.

    Mike

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  5. Okay, okay, let me just say that I do actually support the development of wind power. Our country has an unbelievable amount of wind to harness. Right now we generally use 1-1.5MW turbines, although many in Texas are less than that as they were built years ago, when Texas was on the cutting edge of wind energy. However now we are seeing the development of 12-14MW turbines. This is amazing progress in such a short time and it is a product of the hard work of scientists and engineers throughout the US, Europe, and China. We can definitely count on wind energy getting cheaper and even though many of us stubbornly oppose the construction of wind farms, the US will be building A LOT more of them. I welcome them and I encourage you all to support making wind energy a priority in our country. I think innovation in the greentech sector is absolutely inspiring.

    Mike

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  6. Mike, you may want to listen to the CEO of ERCOT:

    "Texas Tribune: Were there problems with wind-power plants needing to be shut down for high winds or icing blades, and also did nuclear plants have any problems?

    Doggett: I'm not aware of any nuclear plant problems, and I'm not aware of any specific issues with wind turbines having to shut down due to icing. I would highlight that we put out a special word of thanks to the wind community because they did contribute significantly through this timeframe. Wind was blowing, and we had often 3,500 megawatts of wind generation during that morning peak, which certainly helped us in this situation."

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-energy/energy/an-interview-with-the-ceo-of-the-texas-grid/

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  7. The west-Texas wind turbines helped to lessen the impact of the blackouts in parts of Texas. So hats off to the team working overtime out there. Thanks guys! Keep the clean power coming.

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  8. Michael,
    Thank you.

    But here is where we are disconnecting. The PEAK load was Wednesday evening, not Wednesday morning. I am now making my fifth request for the wind energy output for Wednesday night.

    Unless someone is impersonating you, you wrote at 5:12pm yesterday, "Mike, thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, I don't have data for wind output last night or this morning - I will give it to you as soon as it is given to me."

    Then, you wrote this morning that you were "confused" that I wanted that data. Nonsense, just re-read what you had written. Please stop posting the same things over and over and provide the data you said you would provide.

    Otherwise, I will begin deleting your comments because they are not forwarding the discussion. There is only so much time and space I am willing to devote to this issue.

    Mike

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  9. The blackouts didn't happen Wednesday night, so why do we care what happened Wednesday night? Your original post was all about the blackouts. As I said, I'll share the data for these other time periods with you when it is given to me. That hasn't happened yet.

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  10. Michael,

    We care because it was the topic of the original post (if you would read it in its entirety) and because the PEAK load was Wednesday EVENING.

    We know, in retrospect, blackouts did not occur Wednesday evening but at the time they were being threatened for both Wednesday evening and Thursday. When I wrote the original article both the Dallas Morning News and Austin American-Statesman were both saying that blackouts could occur at any time. THAT is why people cared when the original post was written.

    Please stop trying to spin the conditions when the original post was written and provide the data you agreed to provide.

    Any additional posts from you will be deleted unless they have the data for Wednesday evening and Thursday morning.

    Mike

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  11. Mike,
    I hope you learned a valuable lesson from all this. I think your credibility took a hit when it comes to the topic of clean energy. You jumped to a conclusion just to condemn wind power and made your bias known. Please support innovation. It's a good thing.

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  12. I agree with our host that the point he was trying to make is there is a fundamental meteorological flaw to wind energy as a "solution". The peak electric demand periods are associated with large high pressure systems in both winter and summer and those are periods of low wind. As a result wind capacity has to be backed up by fossil plants. Apparently the problem on Wednesday morning was caused by fossil plants and wind energy helped to avert a bigger problem. While that is nice the data he is asking for was for the peak load period in the afternoon and evening. What did the wind do then?

    The more I look into wind the more worried I am about the unintended consequences and hidden costs. I believe that at the levels of wind capacity that proposed by the AWEA the rate payer will end up paying for wind capacity, for fossil-backup capacity and for energy payments to make the fossil plant economic to build. The only way to do this is for some way to store wind energy to cover the low wind periods and that isn’t an easy problem to solve.

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  13. To me the real issue is this, if the money invested in the wind turbines was instead used to build power plants that produce at 90%+ capacity when asked for, then the rolling blackouts would not have occurred. There are many options for standby capacity that could have been brought online quickly enough to have abated this problem. How much of this problem is related to wind siphoning off the capital for proven solutions will never be known, but all of the advantages are tilted to wind "power". This includes tax breaks, subsidies for power generated, and the forced use of more costly energy onto the final customer in increased electrical bills, making wind farms a "no brainer" for investors.

    The really bad part is that this is not the first time that wind "power" has failed Texas. February 26, 2008 is a date that you might remember. It is estimated that 1,400 megawatts of generating capacity was lost due to the reduction of wind velocity in west Texas. This caused load shedding and rolling blackouts. Way too many people think of the grid as a storage battery that power gets pumped into like the energizer bunny. However, the power you draw from the grid when you turn on a light was generated almost immediately prior to its use. And like any control system with little storage capacity it is very difficult to maintain stability. This is basic control theory, and no law written by Congress, or regulation by the DOE can change it. When these impulses are placed onto the grid the grid does not react well. That is why power is planned a day in advance, and many times Heat Engine power plants are kept in spinning reserve to cover for the variability of wind power. Thus, you are paying for the power from the windmills and the running coal plant as a backup.

    If wind power is that great it should stand on its own two feet. No subsidies, tax breaks, or forced use should be needed. The largest expenditure in a power company is energy. If the wind is free energy, the power companies should be all over it without subsidies. Notice they can't build one or run one without a handout. This should be telling for the casual observer. Wind energy has been around for hundreds of years. There is a reason that we don't use windmills to grind our food, pump our water, or power our factories, it is too low in energy density, and unreliable.

    We should be working on technologies that have sufficient energy densities, and reliability to meet our needs, not a government mandated lobbyist best choice for power production. Interrupted power in today's world can be disastrous, causing significant loss of life, and or livelihood. Grid stability is more important than the lobbyist kickback, or the feel-good-ism of green energy. The laws of physics don't care, they just are what they are, and no amount of wishing will change them.

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  14. What we have here is a problem of expectations. The people giving you heck are saying “look what wind did: it provided 3500-4000 MW during the rolling blackouts, which is at or above the 30% average capacity of wind power. Wind did its job.” As you point out, wind has >9000 MW nameplate capacity available in Texas. Wind could have in principle made up the difference. Instead it was average when it was needed most. The cynic in me says the bar is not set very high for wind energy. The scientist/engineer in me agrees fully with you that money is going to the wrong energy sources. The environmentalist in me says wind is not so environmentally friendly. (Basically due to low energy density – see Robert Bryce’s book Power Hungry.)

    But the rent-seekers are more and more entrenched and can afford to have staff that patrol the internet for postings by green-energy heretics. Good luck, heresy isn’t easy.

    Trey

    PS: Texas appears to have ~ 100,000 MW of electricity capacity (http://ftp.eia.doe.gov/state/state_energy_profiles.cfm?sid=TX). Imagine if only 30% of “conventional” power sources had been available when we needed 45,000 to 55,000 MW.

    PPS: If your expectations for wind capacity are as low at 5% , 30% capacity sounds phenomenal. http://www.robertbryce.com/node/374

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  15. Trey and Richard, excellent postings.

    I have an email (as well as postings) touting how wonderful wind was performing at 30%, exactly the point Trey made. That is what I mean by "not ready for prime time." In spite of HUGE subsidies, it is unreliable.

    We STILL don't have the figures from 9pm Wednesday to 7am Thursday in spite of Mr. Goggin agreeing to provide them and two wind energy enthusiasts (who claimed to have access to them) at Watts Up With That saying they would provide them. I think we can safely conclude that my "guess" that wind power was very low was correct at the time the peak loads occurred.

    It is a shame the turbines don't spin as well as wind energy's PR machine.

    Mike

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  16. CORRECTION to above, should read "as well as COMMENTS".

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  17. It is a shame the turbines don't spin as well as wind energy's PR machine.

    Just checking back to see if the wind generation numbers had been posted... can't find them... which leads me to conclude the PR machine runs on hot air and bluster.

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  18. No, after SIX requests and, after agreeing twice to provide them, we still do not have the wind power output for Texas for the hours in question.

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